your tag "the world is a scary place" is so right ...

So it is a real investigation ...

Can anyone write anything in wiki (until someone else say it is not agree ) or is it some verification before editing ? (this is a real question, not an ironical one ...)

This has me particulary worried:I’ve heard theories about the “new wave” of ads before. The idea is that people are too used to positive, “hip” ads or ironic ads, so being bizzare or controversial is the new way to slip under the radar. These ads compete for cherished mental space in your head, not necessarily a positive first image. Marketing firms want people talking about the stupid/weird/nonsensical ad and post about it on their blog and host it on You Tube and…etc. So maybe the next time you’re in the store you’ll just REMEMBER their brand over their competitors.

Do they want to fuel the hype with controversy?

(sorry to quote so much)

I have a deep conviction it is the both ... As the same is happening more and more here in the libraries ... So the purpose is to put its name in front, and to be remembered. It is sad but you have more opportunities to be when you create troubles or fake polemics (because real polemic end up with discussions, and people doesn't like constructive discussions - oh, I am mean I think :P ). The net is speaking of the book, it is better for them than the advertising and anything more "official" than the net because there this is the "household word" (think that idioma exists ... maybe ...) so I am bringing a cliché I know and I am not original (but who say I had to write something new when coming here ? show that one to me !). And then here this is really highly regarded to be "against that or against this " in the present time. Against the feminism is post-feminist, you ignored that ? This is the last stage of the feminism ... ( well the truth is, I have to tell it even if the slogan really upsets me, there is an argumentation and an explanation behind that slogan, and the argumentation is better than the claimed title - but the majority only hear the title and never read the argumentation behind, so it is very fashion to be "against feminist" something like "the new feminist is to reject the feminist"- our french feminists haven't been very clever with that and while they could have "answer" they decided they will scream and bit so noone is listening to them anymore except negatively : "feminists don't like that, oh that is probably not that bad, let's look and buy ..." grrr - but I am not telling I am agree with what is behind said slogan, not at all, but I can accept a lot of things without to be agree with, if it is thought and argumentated, and the fact is that this was (and our feminists' group didn't show they were ...) but I have a lot more trouble accepting proselyte names and slogans haranguing the crowd - even if there is an argue behind - all that to say I never told I was agree ^__^ ).
the same with some other groups of opinion (don't know how to call that). And so the politically correct currently is to be against everything that was politically correct just a few times ago ... But now or before, the both are annoying the same, 'cause people may be against or with everything, a lot (not all, right ?) usually are because of the fashion/politically correct of the moment and not because of that famous argumentation and convictions behind.

I don't know how to end what I began, but it doesn't matter, as everyone will be glad I am over, whatever how I am over '^__^.

Can anyone write anything in wiki (until someone else say it is not agree ) or is it some verification before editing ? (this is a real question, not an ironical one ...)


Not sure exactly. I'm pretty sure that when you register, you can write in anything, but anyone can change it. I think that if too much changing goes on, they notice and mark the page appropriately.

I reject post-modernism, including post-feminism. This is a personal decision of mine, because I believe that you can find objective truth in most things, and because I don't think everything in life should be intellectually dismantled.

The reason I'm so interested in comic book feminism in the moment is that is seems like females are starting to realise that, yes, they can object to sexism, without being labelled a crazy feminazi. It's like some of us are rediscovering feminism all over again, and we don't have to be ashamed of it anymore.

I reject post-modernism, including post-feminism. This is a personal decision of mine, because I believe that you can find objective truth in most things, and because I don't think everything in life should be intellectually dismantled.

I hope you realized how much I was agree with that ( or my language is that bad ?)

((I like the expression "intellectually dismantled", I am stealing it to you ...)

The reason I'm so interested in comic book feminism in the moment is that is seems like females are starting to realise that, yes, they can object to sexism, without being labelled a crazy feminazi. It's like some of us are rediscovering feminism all over again, and we don't have to be ashamed of it anymore.

I hope you realize how much I am agree with that ...

females are starting to realise that, yes, they can object to sexism, without being labelled a crazy feminazi.

This is really good if this is like that around you, here this isn't quite the case ...
French feminism has never been the most developped of our fights (with some shinning exceptions of course like Simone de Beauvoir, Simone Weil, Louise Michèle (1850) and Colète or george Sand), and now the feminists we have are all like you said "feminazi", and so in reaction and because of the changing in the time, girls are now ashamed of the word "feminism".
It could be men telling "you had the vote, you had the aborsion right, you can work, now shup up", but it isn't (it would be awful but understandable), it is coming from the girls themselves and they are telling "no ! we are not feminists, what a weird idea !" and they think I suppose that there is no need anymore even when they see such things like the representation of women in movies or comics. They are telling themself " where is the problem, women are like that !" when a dozen of "heroins", one after the other has been : 1. unable to fight alone and waiting crying the whole movie long her hero to rescue her ; 2. inside a "you touch my stuff" story ( a friend of me with which I was talking about that said to me :
- "but this is normal, no ? if someone has been killing his wife every men would like to kill every one" ;
-" this isn't the problem. well this would be stupid, and the death penalty has been abolished, but this is not the problem, the problem is the picture or the lack of picture of the woman/wife - because of course woman=wife- as a character in itself and ... ;
- " yes but if his wife has been killed it is normal he is upset, right ?"
- "ok, let's change the topic ... )
3. I won't finish that list, first because this would be hard, second because you already know that and third because I am going to be all upset after ...
So they don't see it or they find it normal ...
As the "ever a little feminist glossy" and magazines. They are supposed to be "women side" so none of what is in it can be sexist. They don't find abnormal the treatment of women in fiction ( treatment of women in fictions/pictures is my big personal obsession, I know there is the problem of treatment in the work life, and some other things, but for me the inconscious picture given by the books/movie/pictures/comics is what makes the worse damages - because of the latency of the attack ; that and the little sentences conserning the "difference between men and women", the "women are like that as men are like that" and the men brain and the .... calm down, calm down ...).
But can they don't find abnormal said treatment ?? This is their job to say to the girls reading them "look how the movie is showing the wife, this is a shame ..." and we read " this story is so heartbroken, everyone of us would like to have ***** as husband crying over us (!!!) and **** is so pretty she give light to the movie (!!! since when the job of an actress is to be pretty and to give light ??) hmmm I am getting angry, that's it ... Maybe I can almost understand our french feminazi ...

(I don't understand ... this time I am the anonym one - you would have guess - but why the hell did lj put dis-registered me .... )

Nothing really much to say except I agree with you totally. :) We hear everyday about how feminism has made everything better and that there is no need to fight anymore, but I read and see sexist things everyday that probably would not have been accepted 30 years ago. It's like the frog in boiling water when everybody keeps telling you that the stove doesn't exist anymore...

the frog in boiling water when everybody keeps telling you that the stove doesn't exist anymore

XD such an interesting idioma ... I like it a lot, I will keep it in memory ... ( I will check what is a stove even if I think this is the thing where there is the heat/fire to cook hmm that'sa definition ...)

I am not an original girl, but as I said previously I like to say well-known things (- if not able to say news ) :D
(and I should, really should read myself again before I post the comments because the half of the stupid mistakes could be avoided, and this is really difficult to read it like that, sorry ...)

::We hear everyday about how feminism has made everything better and that there is no need to fight anymore, but I read and see sexist things everyday that probably would not have been accepted 30 years ago.::

Tammy (fantasy writer Tamora Pierce - http://tammy212.livejournal.com/ ) read me from an editorial a guy wrote in VOYA (VOICE OF YOUTH ADVOCATES Magazine) a few years back where he alleged that feminism had "won" and "women just had to 'cash in' on it." Ever since then, any time some egregious example of sexism or misogyny smacks us in the face, I hear Tammy snarl "Yeah - we're just cashin' in here!"

In a way, it's like major corporations who won't support same-sex marriage (b/c that would mean gay couples would have a right to each other's benefits, which would cost the corporations money), but are more than happy to market their products to gay audiences (because demographically gays have a LOT of disposable income those corporations want to get a piece of)! The same corporations will cheerfully market to single feminists, working Moms and slavering horny single men, b/c all three have good demographics! What those corporations won't do is support equal pay for the women working for them, because that would cost them money.

Bringing that back to the subject at hand, they'll market MAKE LOVE LIKE A PORN STAR to feminists as well as to arrested adolescent males - b/c money's money, and any publicity's good publicity so long as they spell your name right. It's Fortune's 500 marketing their products to the 60s counterculture, or an 80s sleazebag slasher film creating a bogus "feminist" organization to protest them for misogyny, all over again.

Best,
Tim Liebe
Dreaded Spouse-Creature of Tamora Pierce (http://www.tamorapierce.com/)
- and co-writer of Marvel's upcoming White Tiger (http://www.tamorapierce.com/marvel.htm) comic

You're probably not going to get this because you're an anon but...

I've read "Female Chauvinist Pigs" which claims that the pornification of women is profits driven, and I agree. Because if you treat women like sex objects, you can sell objects, so you can sell women. We're told constantly that sex sells, and we're not allowed to question it.

Whozawa? What a freaky book.

I already learned about the ad stuff; creepy, huh? I see it all over the place. Cute things atract kids, weird things stick to everyone's brains like glue, etc. Being funny/weird/adjective of your choice enough to be remembered is a really big advertising scheme. You see it tons on during the Super Bowl. (I had a school assignment on that once: Watch the Super Bowl for the commericals.) Budwiser has some really fun commercials, even though I don't drink, I like seeing them (to a degree) and they do a good job at making them easy-to-remember and funny.

Yay for a month-long study on propaganda, I guess. O.o;

I'm actually glad those things get taught in school. We need it. :O